Do you have clients from China recently?

[Guest]

It's said that China government will close all the BBS created by personal. If so, many sites with BBS will be moved to other countries.

[aldo]

By BBS You mean Bulletin Board System? If so why is the China Government going to remove them?

[Guest]

China requires its citizens to register their web sites and blogs with the government. Failure to do so results in their sites being shut down. This has caused a surge in Chinese citizens signing up for hosting with offshore companies in a desperate attempt to keep their web sites live. It has also caused a surge in fraudulent hosting orders by Chinese citizens which is why most companies do not accept sign ups from China.

This article will give you a bit of insight on issues with China and web sites. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/in...949f93&ei=5070

[rcj662]

I had a few people from china try to sign up but the credit card never worked. This was in the last year not in the last month. I think they all had fake credit cards or someone elses.

[vlasi47gr]

Which goes to show you that the repressive government that so many of us want to desperately do business with denies their citizens the basic rights of communication and free expression. If we wish to help the citizens of China we need to restrict trade with that country until they grant their citizens the basic rights that are fundamental to a free society. This also goes for any other government that restricts the freedoms of their citizens.

Purely my opinion, as I believe that a free society is a strong society and that a free society stems from the rights of the individual.. That the freedom must come not only from political but from religious repression also. An individual must be free to express himself politically, and religiously without fear of recrimination and that a governments role is to protect those rights of the individual and not to protect the government from the individual.

[Guest]

Which goes to show you that the repressive government that so many of us want to desperately do business with denies their citizens the basic rights of communication and free expression. If we wish to help the citizens of China we need to restrict trade with that country until they grant their citizens the basic rights that are fundamental to a free society. This also goes for any other government that restricts the freedoms of their citizens.

Purely my opinion, as I believe that a free society is a strong society and that a free society stems from the rights of the individual.. That the freedom must come not only from political but from religious repression also. An individual must be free to express himself politically, and religiously without fear of recrimination and that a governments role is to protect those rights of the individual and not to protect the government from the individual.

With all the toys and products we have been getting from China tainted with hazardous chemicals, we should be closing our borders to them as far as trade is concerned. At least once a week I hear about something new being recalled that was made in China because of lead, choke hazards, poison in pet foods and tooth paste. So I agree with you, we need to close down trade with China till they get their act together.

[Chameleon]

True, but you'll then have the oppertunists who will open their doors to them and get a load of sales lol.

It's a tough one to call, but if they wish to host in another country then fair enough. But wouldn't they still have to register their site with the government seeing as they are chinese citizens?

[wjleong]

I don't think you can take this oppertunity to get sales.
As I know,credit card and paypal are not so popular in China and many of the payment through credit card will be cancelled due to several reasons even they are the card holders.
However,this may be a good news for those who are using api or own payment system and resellers from China as well...

[J.L.H.C.]

Purely my opinion, as I believe that a free society is a strong society and that a free society stems from the rights of the individual.. That the freedom must come not only from political but from religious repression also. An individual must be free to express himself politically, and religiously without fear of recrimination and that a governments role is to protect those rights of the individual and not to protect the government from the individual.

Your opinion may be correct in most western countries, where democracy is quite mature. But for most Asians countries, the political scene in these countries are not yet ready for full democracy or it will cause havoc. Take a look at Taiwan and South Korea. Members of Parliament fight (punching and kicking) in the parliament. This is the result of the adoption of American style of democracy, as they are not ready for it yet.

Another example will be the rocky relationship between China and Taiwan. One of the main reason for this is the difference in political party and ideology between the two places. If China adopts American style of democracy, imagine how many Taiwan will be born in China. States will have conflicts with the central government and may even ask for independence, just like what happened to Taiwan and Tibet. This will cause havoc in the country and do you think this will be good for the country's economy?

Investors doesn't cares about your country's policy towards the people. All they care is earning as much money as they can. One of the main factors to consider is political stability. Only when the country is at it peace that the government can concentrate on the economy growth.

Not all countries are like USA and other western countries. China is becoming more democratic from time to time, with policies changing and opening up. They are adopting democracy, but at a rate where it is acceptable by their citizen as well as their government. If they adopt democracy too fast, they may not be able to manage the country well as they lack experience. This needs time.
Just my 0.02 here.

[vlasi47gr]

Investors doesn't cares about your country's policy towards the people. All they care is earning as much money as they can. One of the main factors to consider is political stability. Only when the country is at it peace that the government can concentrate on the economy growth.

You make some good points. Exceptions of course to the relationship between China and Taiwan. China considers Taiwan to be part of China and refuses to recognize it as a separate state. For years, Taiwan claimed to be the legitimate voice of all of China and refused to recognize the Peoples Republic of China as a separate state. When I visited Taiwan almost 40 years ago, I found it to be a progressive, economically vibrant and relatively free state. China on the other hand was going through one "Great Leap Forward" after another and was devastating its people under Chairman Mao.

Now, to the investors point. Unfortunately too many business people are looking for a "quick buck" and instant profits and not considering what consequences their actions will have for the long term. Quarterly profits are King, long term survival is being neglected. The "what have you done for me lately" mentality of the stockholders is the driving force that has reduced manufacturing jobs in the USA and has outsourced many jobs to nations with low wages. This will later come back to haunt us when our standard of living will drop because of low wages here and high unemployment.

[J.L.H.C.]

You make some good points. Exceptions of course to the relationship between China and Taiwan. China considers Taiwan to be part of China and refuses to recognize it as a separate state. For years, Taiwan claimed to be the legitimate voice of all of China and refused to recognize the Peoples Republic of China as a separate state. When I visited Taiwan almost 40 years ago, I found it to be a progressive, economically vibrant and relatively free state. China on the other hand was going through one "Great Leap Forward" after another and was devastating its people under Chairman Mao.

Now, to the investors point. Unfortunately too many business people are looking for a "quick buck" and instant profits and not considering what consequences their actions will have for the long term. Quarterly profits are King, long term survival is being neglected. The "what have you done for me lately" mentality of the stockholders is the driving force that has reduced manufacturing jobs in the USA and has outsourced many jobs to nations with low wages. This will later come back to haunt us when our standard of living will drop because of low wages here and high unemployment.

For China and Taiwan, yes you are right. However, globally everybody now is recognizing Taiwan as part of China. The main conflict here is political ideology.

For investors, they were looking for cheap labors for the past five to ten years especially in China and India. This has however cause the quality of products to drop. That is why you can now see some smart investor are running away from China and India and to another emerging market -- South East Asia, as the literacy here is higher and the Quality Control (QC) here is stricter. For example, Motorola has just closed it plant in China and shifted it to Malaysia. However this will cause the cost of products to increase and we have to pay for it, as people always say, you get what you pay. When wages in SEA is growing too high, they will have to move to other places and this goes on.
This applies to web hosting as well, as people tends to outsource their support, customer service, etc to India. Now they are complaining the lack of quality of the Indians representative and are moving elsewhere.